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1965 - is it a GT?
« on: December 16, 2010, 03:07:07 PM »
I own a restored coupe - VIN is 5T07A133430.  A code, 4 speed.  This car is an enigma.  It has all the usual GT stuff - abscence of rocker panels, abscence of side scoop trim.  It has foglights, correct fog light switch, correct fog light wiring harness.  Rear lamps light when fog lights are on.  It also has the disc brakes, larger sway bar and trumpet exhaust.  The proportioning valve is aftermarket but the original holes for the factory proportioning valve are there.  The steering box is incorrect for a GT but it has been replaced - the build date on the steering box is september 65.  The build date on the car is February 8th, which may be too early for a GT.  But all the sheet metals stampings are the last week of March which is more in line with known GT production.

On to the good stuff.  Everything above can easily (fairly easily) be faked.  The car however does have the factory rolled dip in the dashboard to accomodate the 5 gauge cluster (the date code on the dashboard is March 65 and there is no evidence this dashboard is a replacement - no welds or cuts).  It is not a pony interior - the pony interior would have this dip but the door data plate decodes for a standard interior.  It also has the factory spot welded sheet metal reinforcement under the backseat.  Where the car fails the GT test is in the rear frame rails - it is a single exhaust setup - no 2 holes.  The snubber is for a single exhaust car.  I'm not adept enough to tell if the rear frame rails and gas tank frame have been replaced at some time .  I sure could use some feedback on any ideas, other places to examine the car.  Sorry - cannot upload pics - everything I have is 3mb or larger and this site does not allow anything over 2.8Mb.  Thanks!  Rob

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Re: 1965 - is it a GT?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 04:11:22 PM »
Welcome to the forum.
You find yourself in a difficult position as no assembly line documentation exists for any Ford (Mustang included) built prior to the 1967 model year. There is no way to prove that your car is a GT, but many ways exist to prove that it is not.
Example: for the dual exhaust mounting bracket used on all 65- and 66 GT Mustangs, a special spacer (crush plate) was installed on the rear of both rear fame rails. The picture is of the drivers side with a lot of references. No crush plate, it's not a GT.
The second part of the bad news is that the earliest known production GT was scheduled to be built in Dearborn on 20 Feb 1965, Metuchen's earliest known was the end of March, 1965. The Dearborn date has also come under a lot of scrutiny by the MCA and others and it may or not be correct.
Metuchin also used buck tags (a metal tag) attached to the radiator support to assist the assembly line to build the right car. PIO was one of the codes used to signal a GT, GT was stamped later on tags. The tag will reflect most of what the door data tag has. Many buck tags were removed by the factory, dealer or owners.   
The bottom line is that your car is most likely not a factory GT, so drive it and enjoy.
Jim

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Re: 1965 - is it a GT?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2010, 01:22:37 AM »
If you are trying to sell it as a GT, forget it.  If you are just curious, then you are just going to have to remain curious.  Like Jim said, drive it and enjoy that "A" code. 

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Re: 1965 - is it a GT?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2010, 08:11:18 AM »
Thanks for the replies.  I'll probably never know what this car was coming down the assembly line.  The buck tag is no help - it doesn't have one.  Nor the dimple for the drill hole to mount the tag.  Metuchen did not start with buck tags - went to them later in the 65 model year.

When you own a car that's a part of American auto lore, like all of us here, you want to know everything about it.  Who was the first buyer?  Why was it ordered a certain way? Many 65's and 66's can speak to us in limited ways - certainly this car is among them.  It has clear structural fingerprints pointing to a GT - the lip in the dash, the sheet metal reinforcement.  The instrument cluster has the correct sensor wire passing through the ammeter loop.  But it's also got the single exhaust setup in the rear frame rails. Gnaws at me from time to time........

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Re: 1965 - is it a GT?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010, 11:35:52 AM »
Almost all the GT components were available as stand alone options, fog lamps, quick steering, heavy duty suspension and the 66 style instrument cluster. The availability of those items is also not well understood as Ford added (and dropped) options all thru the model year.
Jim 

 

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